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To sum it up:
Chess as a profession is dying or rather already dead, except for a few countries like India. Our beloved hi-tech have killed the game. We've got around 2000 GMs (my estimation) and even more IMs (WGMs and WIMs alike) who are for some reason very confident in their worth as professionals, although no one's level is even close to the one of a simple phone. "Played like a phone" sounds now a much stronger praise than "played like Karpov", "like Tal", "like Capablanca". Why would someone at all seek to play a GM / analyse games with a GM if he has a perfect 3000+ player, readily available 365/24/7, in his hand?
The job that hasn't been finished by Pentiums has been finished by AI, neural networks, cloud servers and multimedia sharing platforms with TBs of chess stuff.
There is some hope in the form of chess960 -- but since the FIDE will rather let the whole of chess pass away than let Fischer chess become mainstream, there is no hope.
What had come some 30 years ago in the form of a miracle / blessing (and seemed so for many further years), eventually turned out to be a sweet delayed-action poison without an antidote. Yes, a poison can be delicious. Now welcome to Skynet, guys! And by the way, this situation has spread, is spreading and will continue to spread exponentially (unless something dramatic is done globally in the urgent and coordinated manner) far beyond chess. Chess is just one of the most salient examples. Having read e.g. www.vox.com/the-highlight/23447596/artificial-intelligence-agi-openai-gpt3-existential-risk-human-extinction and learned about ChatGPT, I'm extremely curious about what 2023 has in store for us all. Humanity has been warned many times but preferred to keep their eyes and mouth shut not to be distracted from consuming the sweet poison.
Happy New Year!
Chess as a profession is dying or rather already dead, except for a few countries like India. Our beloved hi-tech have killed the game. We've got around 2000 GMs (my estimation) and even more IMs (WGMs and WIMs alike) who are for some reason very confident in their worth as professionals, although no one's level is even close to the one of a simple phone. "Played like a phone" sounds now a much stronger praise than "played like Karpov", "like Tal", "like Capablanca". Why would someone at all seek to play a GM / analyse games with a GM if he has a perfect 3000+ player, readily available 365/24/7, in his hand?
The job that hasn't been finished by Pentiums has been finished by AI, neural networks, cloud servers and multimedia sharing platforms with TBs of chess stuff.
There is some hope in the form of chess960 -- but since the FIDE will rather let the whole of chess pass away than let Fischer chess become mainstream, there is no hope.
What had come some 30 years ago in the form of a miracle / blessing (and seemed so for many further years), eventually turned out to be a sweet delayed-action poison without an antidote. Yes, a poison can be delicious. Now welcome to Skynet, guys! And by the way, this situation has spread, is spreading and will continue to spread exponentially (unless something dramatic is done globally in the urgent and coordinated manner) far beyond chess. Chess is just one of the most salient examples. Having read e.g. www.vox.com/the-highlight/23447596/artificial-intelligence-agi-openai-gpt3-existential-risk-human-extinction and learned about ChatGPT, I'm extremely curious about what 2023 has in store for us all. Humanity has been warned many times but preferred to keep their eyes and mouth shut not to be distracted from consuming the sweet poison.
Happy New Year!
Saying FIDE should do something is kind of weird considering FIDE has like.. no money...
Demanding a jet-set lifestyle (Which already pays far _too much_!) for playing a _game_ is utterly ridiculous. Same with soccer or anything else.
Not to mention the catastrophic environmental impact. Everyone keeps virtue-signaling about saving energy at home, but that's at best a logical failure, at worst deliberately misleading. One such event wastes more resources than a normal human being will waste in his entire life!
Germany, a country labelled 'rich' and '1st world' etc., has _millions_ of starving people, and _more than a whole million_ of homeless, according to already prettified official government numbers in 2019, way before these disastrous three last years. Nobody cares, none, nothing is done to help actual human beings. Pretty propaganda, incl. artificially hyped up media events, 'sports' distracting from the truth. Not chess, soccer is bigger. Same nature. Squeeze the last few pennies out of people and hide reality until there is another 1933. Full circle.
But sure, demand luxury for playing a game. What a joke. Chess, like every other hobby, is a _privilege_ in the first place. Few people get to pursue their hobbies more than occasionally, or practice any hobby at all. Chess can at least be a nice pastime for common people, as digital games are available for free, and even a makeshift paper board will do for games with friends in real life.
No such thing as a 'professional'. Can't laugh enough. I've met WW2 survivors who happened to like playing chess, and did so with random kids in the park, for fun. Turned out, many were GM level. They never once asked for money or fame. One guy didn't even know he was at that arbitrary cutoff - he had never touched a computer or played a tournament, so he never saw his ELO. He merely played with his father for fun and kept on.
Is everything monetized these days? No limit to post-industrial selfishness. The most useless 'jobs' are paid well, while real people suffer. Ask yourself if your 'job' constitutes a naturally beneficial task, and you may find out you're nothing, but a leech, after all. No modern jobs are, the vast majority being sales related one way or another, not actual production of necessities. But demanding being paid for a _game_ is truly peak ego. Especially a game you already have to be born privileged for to even get up to rank in the first place. No normal person can just sit and play a game, day in, day out, before he is retired. And even that is not so much a thing anymore, with many German pensioners digging in the trash for food. (Which is even illegal, so they can lose what little they have in fines, to add injury to insult!)
Replying to my previous poster: ChatGPT and 'AI' are extremely overrated, that's just a hype pushed for profit. All they are is large scale brute force, aka throwing money at the problem. Nothing remotely intelligent to it. If you can read, and don't mind boring lego, then you can replicate every single fancy headline yourself. If you have a programming background, make it a weekend project to destroy that illusion. You're not going to have the funds needed to train a good set in the end, though, but you'll know how it works.
Hand-written chess engines are much more impressive, hand-written algorithms in general. There are tiny, ultra-fast engines that still beat every human. Stockfish only recently got a NN, it was already excellent before. Dozens of 'amateur' engines still beat 99% of humans on earth, even with low computing power. Remember the first digital chessboards? Your phone would inhale that chip, yet e.g. this one from 1994 already had a 2405 ELO. www.schach-computer.info/wiki/index.php?title=Tasc_R40
Coming from a tech background, I do not fear 'AI', I fear what clueless bureaucrats do with it, such as taking peoples' livelihoods based on profiling. Several countries let algorithms decide if you get 'benefits' needed to eat, or not. Conveniently implicitly blaming the computer, instead of the guy who clearly ordered the outcome. All the 'AI' advocates do is dehumanize us, pretend mere brute force can constitute a human being. I've played with just about any fancy tech, built stuff myself, it quickly loses its magic, when you see it. Related to typical behaviour like Zuckerberg taping over his own cam, or FANG trillionaires in general not allowing their own kids the tech time they push on consumers.
Before anyone comments on my 'rating': Sometimes I like casually playing while working on something else in another window. No time to learn all day. Playing 'live' still gives me a rush that kills me. That's kind of the fun of it.
Cheers
Not to mention the catastrophic environmental impact. Everyone keeps virtue-signaling about saving energy at home, but that's at best a logical failure, at worst deliberately misleading. One such event wastes more resources than a normal human being will waste in his entire life!
Germany, a country labelled 'rich' and '1st world' etc., has _millions_ of starving people, and _more than a whole million_ of homeless, according to already prettified official government numbers in 2019, way before these disastrous three last years. Nobody cares, none, nothing is done to help actual human beings. Pretty propaganda, incl. artificially hyped up media events, 'sports' distracting from the truth. Not chess, soccer is bigger. Same nature. Squeeze the last few pennies out of people and hide reality until there is another 1933. Full circle.
But sure, demand luxury for playing a game. What a joke. Chess, like every other hobby, is a _privilege_ in the first place. Few people get to pursue their hobbies more than occasionally, or practice any hobby at all. Chess can at least be a nice pastime for common people, as digital games are available for free, and even a makeshift paper board will do for games with friends in real life.
No such thing as a 'professional'. Can't laugh enough. I've met WW2 survivors who happened to like playing chess, and did so with random kids in the park, for fun. Turned out, many were GM level. They never once asked for money or fame. One guy didn't even know he was at that arbitrary cutoff - he had never touched a computer or played a tournament, so he never saw his ELO. He merely played with his father for fun and kept on.
Is everything monetized these days? No limit to post-industrial selfishness. The most useless 'jobs' are paid well, while real people suffer. Ask yourself if your 'job' constitutes a naturally beneficial task, and you may find out you're nothing, but a leech, after all. No modern jobs are, the vast majority being sales related one way or another, not actual production of necessities. But demanding being paid for a _game_ is truly peak ego. Especially a game you already have to be born privileged for to even get up to rank in the first place. No normal person can just sit and play a game, day in, day out, before he is retired. And even that is not so much a thing anymore, with many German pensioners digging in the trash for food. (Which is even illegal, so they can lose what little they have in fines, to add injury to insult!)
Replying to my previous poster: ChatGPT and 'AI' are extremely overrated, that's just a hype pushed for profit. All they are is large scale brute force, aka throwing money at the problem. Nothing remotely intelligent to it. If you can read, and don't mind boring lego, then you can replicate every single fancy headline yourself. If you have a programming background, make it a weekend project to destroy that illusion. You're not going to have the funds needed to train a good set in the end, though, but you'll know how it works.
Hand-written chess engines are much more impressive, hand-written algorithms in general. There are tiny, ultra-fast engines that still beat every human. Stockfish only recently got a NN, it was already excellent before. Dozens of 'amateur' engines still beat 99% of humans on earth, even with low computing power. Remember the first digital chessboards? Your phone would inhale that chip, yet e.g. this one from 1994 already had a 2405 ELO. www.schach-computer.info/wiki/index.php?title=Tasc_R40
Coming from a tech background, I do not fear 'AI', I fear what clueless bureaucrats do with it, such as taking peoples' livelihoods based on profiling. Several countries let algorithms decide if you get 'benefits' needed to eat, or not. Conveniently implicitly blaming the computer, instead of the guy who clearly ordered the outcome. All the 'AI' advocates do is dehumanize us, pretend mere brute force can constitute a human being. I've played with just about any fancy tech, built stuff myself, it quickly loses its magic, when you see it. Related to typical behaviour like Zuckerberg taping over his own cam, or FANG trillionaires in general not allowing their own kids the tech time they push on consumers.
Before anyone comments on my 'rating': Sometimes I like casually playing while working on something else in another window. No time to learn all day. Playing 'live' still gives me a rush that kills me. That's kind of the fun of it.
Cheers
Some of the previous poster's points make a lot of sense, some are strongly disagreeable as to me; the info about millions of people starving in Germany doesn't look trustworthy (no proof presented), but whatever, I wonder what is this "something else in another window" (or service)?
And please make no mistake: the fact that someone comes from a tech background in no way guarantees seeing the dangers of AI properly. On the contrary, why would someone put something he devotes so much time and energy to under the threat of a ban or restrictions? It's like asking an enthusiastic chess professional or coach about the dangers the game of chess can pose for a personality along with its amusement and cognitive benefits. Quite the opposite - someone from a totally different background is capable to see the looming dangers better. The article linked above explains a lot.
UPD. Hope the previous post was not written by / composed of messages written by ChatGPT. There is something subtly strange about its style.
And please make no mistake: the fact that someone comes from a tech background in no way guarantees seeing the dangers of AI properly. On the contrary, why would someone put something he devotes so much time and energy to under the threat of a ban or restrictions? It's like asking an enthusiastic chess professional or coach about the dangers the game of chess can pose for a personality along with its amusement and cognitive benefits. Quite the opposite - someone from a totally different background is capable to see the looming dangers better. The article linked above explains a lot.
UPD. Hope the previous post was not written by / composed of messages written by ChatGPT. There is something subtly strange about its style.
@Former_Player said in #54:
>Why would someone at all seek to play a GM / analyse games with a GM if he has a perfect 3000+ player, readily available 365/24/7, in his hand?
I agree that professional chess is deteriorating but I don't agree that playing standard chess doesn't make sense anymore because of computers. Chess is much more than just the quality of the moves. Please have a look to my blog. I received dozens of compliments for the humor in my article schaken-brabo.blogspot.com/2022/01/het-konijn.html (there is translation button next to it which works for 109 languages).
>Why would someone at all seek to play a GM / analyse games with a GM if he has a perfect 3000+ player, readily available 365/24/7, in his hand?
I agree that professional chess is deteriorating but I don't agree that playing standard chess doesn't make sense anymore because of computers. Chess is much more than just the quality of the moves. Please have a look to my blog. I received dozens of compliments for the humor in my article schaken-brabo.blogspot.com/2022/01/het-konijn.html (there is translation button next to it which works for 109 languages).
@Former_Player said in #54:
> There is some hope in the form of chess960 -- but since the FIDE will rather let the whole of chess pass away than let Fischer chess become mainstream, there is no hope.
I don't think it is just fide. I see around me very little interest for chess960. Even here at lichess you can see not more than 0,5% of the games are played with chess960. So there is no market for it.
Still maybe the solution is to play unorthodox-openings as I wrote in my article http://schaken-brabo.blogspot.com/2021/07/chess960.html
> There is some hope in the form of chess960 -- but since the FIDE will rather let the whole of chess pass away than let Fischer chess become mainstream, there is no hope.
I don't think it is just fide. I see around me very little interest for chess960. Even here at lichess you can see not more than 0,5% of the games are played with chess960. So there is no market for it.
Still maybe the solution is to play unorthodox-openings as I wrote in my article http://schaken-brabo.blogspot.com/2021/07/chess960.html
@Former_Player said in #57:
> I wonder what is this "something else in another window" (or service)?
It is when you are in the class/ office pretending to work for your teacher/ boss but in reality you are playing chess on the computer. For this you normally have at least 2 windows open. 1 window with the chessapp and 1 window with something for the assignment/ job (excel, mailbox...). If the teacher/ boss comes along to check you then while playing you quickly swap from the chess app to the other window. Often it explains why some people are running miraculously out of time here at lichess (as many use this trick).
Anyway if your teacher/ boss finds out about it then you are in troubles so playing chess this way is not at all comfortable (to say the least).
> I wonder what is this "something else in another window" (or service)?
It is when you are in the class/ office pretending to work for your teacher/ boss but in reality you are playing chess on the computer. For this you normally have at least 2 windows open. 1 window with the chessapp and 1 window with something for the assignment/ job (excel, mailbox...). If the teacher/ boss comes along to check you then while playing you quickly swap from the chess app to the other window. Often it explains why some people are running miraculously out of time here at lichess (as many use this trick).
Anyway if your teacher/ boss finds out about it then you are in troubles so playing chess this way is not at all comfortable (to say the least).
@Former_Player said in #57:
> UPD. Hope the previous post was not written by / composed of messages written by ChatGPT. There is something subtly strange about its style.
I and some friends tried to use ChatGPT for annotating chessgames but that clearly doesn't work yet. You don't get more than some nonsense like you get from Fritz.
> UPD. Hope the previous post was not written by / composed of messages written by ChatGPT. There is something subtly strange about its style.
I and some friends tried to use ChatGPT for annotating chessgames but that clearly doesn't work yet. You don't get more than some nonsense like you get from Fritz.
@peppie23 said in #61:
> I and some friends tried to use ChatGPT for annotating chessgames but that clearly doesn't work yet. You don't get more than some nonsense like you get from Fritz.
"Yet" is the key.
> I and some friends tried to use ChatGPT for annotating chessgames but that clearly doesn't work yet. You don't get more than some nonsense like you get from Fritz.
"Yet" is the key.
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