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Why Carlsen and Kasparov are the Greatest Players of All Time

#8 - for the record, I didn't say your opinion was aggressive, I said it was arrogant. I said your use of every thread you post in to advertise your team (which I was a member of for about a week and saw not much of anything other than a collection of the same things you post here to the main forum about once a week) was agressive.

Then again, some people say arrogance is just confidence, so maybe I wasn't necessarily chastising you. I myself can be quite arrogant. ;)

Thanks for the well-reasoned response. I still say any criteria will be arbitrary and biased, but your criteria were at least logical ones.

One of my personal criteria for "best of all time" would be the value of their contribution to the understanding of chess theory. In that regard, it's yet to be seen how Magnus will stack up to the likes of Nimzo, Capa, and even Vishy. Most of Magnus' games seem to be "get into an opening which is comfortable due to all my preparation and in which under best play will result in at least an equal endgame, and then grind the endgame until there is an advantage and then grind it even harder to find an unexpected win, or grind it until there's nothing left to fight for because it's an absolute theoretical draw and I know my opponent can hold it." There doesn't seem to be much of anything new going on in the world of Magnus' chess, he just looks to simplify the position into something he can work out like a machine. It definitely takes a great depth of theoretical knowledge ultimately precise calculation at a great depth for him to do so, so there is no denying he's great, but it seems like he's using nothing more than existing theory and unparalleled calculation ability to accomplish his greatness. In the sense of contribution to the understanding of chess, I'd say he's fairly low on the list of "best of all time" candidates here.
@efour - How would Tal dominate over Fischer as much as Fischer dominated over Tal? I don't think the math works on that one.
@pg I think he was saying if it hadn't been for Tal's health issues having an effect on his play at that time in his career, he should have dominated Fischer, possibly even Kasparov if he was still playing at that time.

Not saying I agree, that's yet another "what if" that we can't answer.
Well I think it's interesting to use avg centipawn loss to settle the debate once and for all but you would need to be sure to choose games where the players were at their peak and playing against top contemporaries. I would expect Fischer Kasparov or Magnus to come out on top but who knows?
Sorry for my english, but you misunderstood me. I was trying to say that without health problems Tal would become dominant player as Fischer or Kasparov
@efour my take on Tal is that he was known for making brilliant sacrifices and being a very strong blitz player, and if that was what we're talking about we would need to consider players like Tal and Nakamura but that's probably not what we're talking when considering the GOAT
The dude has a team called Chess Learners where he regularly posts mini lectures and offers to answer any questions for nothing and you have a problem with that? He tries to drum up interest in a team he created to help others learn chess for nothing and you have a problem with that?

I joined the team and enjoy his posts, even started playing the dragon after his introduction to it. If it's okay with fenris and beary maybe he can continue posting for those who appreciate the effort and you guys can not read it?

Thanks TK

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